Best Boat in Choppy Waters part 2

[wildwolfproducts]

Would like the answer to the other post like this. But leave out the custom made crotch rocket boats that are not a true bass hull. More like what run of the mill bass boat go to the dealer and buy from new to say a 2005 model. Not something that's not been made in say the last 8 or 10 years. also leave out the Lanier Custom Boat. (Cat hulls just blow away V hulls when it gets really rough...just watch offshore racing) .
Just a bass boat loaded and ready to fish out of.
Pete

[Darth VMAX]

Would like the answer to the other post like this. But leave out the custom made crotch rocket boats that are not a true bass hull. More like what run of the mill bass boat go to the dealer and buy from new to say a 2005 model. Not something that's not been made in say the last 8 or 10 years. also leave out the Lanier Custom Boat. (Cat hulls just blow away V hulls when it gets really rough...just watch offshore racing) .
Just a bass boat loaded and ready to fish out of.
Pete

What is your definition of a "true" bass hull? I will stack the XB21 against ALL V-hull bassboats from ANY manufacturer. Champion, Triton, Ranger, Bullet, Legend, Basscat, etc. etc.

The one that you may consider is the new Charger (if they ever release it)

[remington]

Charger 495. Best rig they build.

Stratos Champion Elite 19'8/202 or 210.

Legend 211.

All excellent rough water rigs.

[Revenant]

I heard that the Tracker Avalanche was great in rough water due to it's high freeboard and V hull.

[JESTERxHEAD]

What is your definition of a "true" bass hull? I will stack the XB21 against ALL V-hull bassboats from ANY manufacturer. Champion, Triton, Ranger, Bullet, Legend, Basscat, etc. etc.

The one that you may consider is the new Charger (if they ever release it)


nobody is picking on your ally....hahahaha

[JESTERxHEAD]

x2 on the stratos champ elites...

[Darth VMAX]

Whats the new model Charger? Its a "wide body" design and totally new from them (not a semi-homemade like the others).

[wildwolfproducts]

Darth its used to fish out of all the time and even used to win tournaments it fits the bill to me.

Remington never heard of the Charger but did look it up.

Revenant would have not known it was a tin boat. But also could not find any for sale.
My Lund is a great riding big water boat, But sure would not want to fish tournaments out of it.

[JESTERxHEAD]

yea a big deep v like a lund or one of those really nice glass ranger v's on lake erie....wouldnt take my boat out ther no way no how hahahahah

[Darth VMAX]

nobody is picking on your ally....hahahaha

Not thinking that at all. But want to clearify that Allison's aren't a "race boat you can fish out of" which so many are under that uninformed impression. ESPECIALLY the big momma (XB21 PRO). :wallbash:

So many have the idea that "well if they are so good, then why aren't any big name pros using them?" Which is EASILY explained in the fact Darris HASN'T nor EVER WILL Sponser (give a boat to) ANY professional angler. :D

The Charger's are a great boat and definitley deserve looking into :cheers:

[remington]

Chargers are similar to Champion (same gene pool but diffrent). One of the last boat builders to make the deep V wedge hull. Made locally in Richmond Missouri, right next to Lake of the Ozarks. Excellent rough water rigs. They are a small company with a great rep.

[Darth VMAX]

Remington. Have you heard anything about their new wide-beam design? I thought it was supposed to be 100% their own design (unlike the older ones).

[wildwolfproducts]

Not thinking that at all. But want to clearify that Allison's aren't a "race boat you can fish out of" which so many are under that uninformed impression. ESPECIALLY the big momma (XB21 PRO). :wallbash:

So many have the idea that "well if they are so good, then why aren't any big name pros using them?" Which is EASILY explained in the fact Darris HASN'T nor EVER WILL Sponser (give a boat to) ANY professional angler. :D

The Charger's are a great boat and definitley deserve looking into :cheers:

Theres a lot of Allison's here that fish the tournaments. But then again its Tn and its more of a local boat for most here. I can't say how the ride is because the last one I rode in was sure not built for a ride. But would fly it was set up where the pass seat was behind the driver inline. It has a big off shore Merc on it and man it was fast. But coming if after fishing we were last to the ramp. Because of the big waves here from the Yaht's he could not run with the other bass boats.

[wildwolfproducts]

Would like the answer to the other post like this. But leave out the custom made crotch rocket boats that are not a true bass hull. More like what run of the mill bass boat go to the dealer and buy from new to say a 2005 model. Not something that's not been made in say the last 8 or 10 years. also leave out the Lanier Custom Boat. (Cat hulls just blow away V hulls when it gets really rough...just watch offshore racing) .
Just a bass boat loaded and ready to fish out of.
Pete

Should have put not looking for fast but good ride and best boat to also fish out of. Great livewells to keep the fish alive in. Storage to keep stuff off the floor. 36 Volt Trolling motor

[Darth VMAX]

Sounds like you rode in an XB2002! The fastest bassboat in the world. Even though they are a 900 lb hull they still slice the waves like a hot knife through butter (you gotta know how to drive them though!) The 21' XB21 is a "true" tournament bassboat compared to the little XB2002.
http://www.allisonboats.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XB-21-BasSport-Pro-2005-action-big.jpg

While Is still doubt this has as good of a ride of an XB21 Allison, This: http://www.chargerboats.com/596.htm will fill your "not fast" but ride good requirement :p
http://www.chargerboats.com/images/596_BMT2006web3.jpg

As far as "Best Boat to fish out of".... A Ranger Owner will tell you a Ranger boat is, a Champion owner will tell you a Champion is, a Triton owner will tell you a Triton is etc. etc.
The one thing they all have in common is they are all wrong! :D:p:D:p


Good Luck

[remington]

Darth,

Heard its close to being finished but heard that 6 months ago. They just released pics of the new 195 intro sho the wide body shouldnt be far behind them. To my understanding Charger only builds a few hundred bass boats a year (not that that is a bad thing).

[wildwolfproducts]

Not thinking that at all. But want to clearify that Allison's aren't a "race boat you can fish out of" which so many are under that uninformed impression. ESPECIALLY the big momma (XB21 PRO). :wallbash:

So many have the idea that "well if they are so good, then why aren't any big name pros using them?" Which is EASILY explained in the fact Darris HASN'T nor EVER WILL Sponser (give a boat to) ANY professional angler. :D

The Charger's are a great boat and definitley deserve looking into :cheers:

But they do come with a bathroom. Man thats cool..
http://www.allisonboats.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XB-21-BasSport-Pro-seats1.jpg
:cheers:
Nice looking boat, But how in the world can they make a boat that does not use weight to ride that good? If they ride that great makes me wonder how the ride would be with about 500 more pounds in the hull?
http://www.allisonboats.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XB-21-BasSport-Pro-yellow-and-white.png
Sweet ride there.
Pete

[remington]

Not always about weight. Allison has always been about hull design. "Function over form."

[Darth VMAX]

REMINGTON Is SPOT ON!

DESIGN determines a ride much more than blunt weight! The belief that weight makes a boat ride better is a complete falicy that most believe.

Here is the deal. Allisons will outride other V-hulled bassers because of two main reasons.

Deadrise and keel length. They have a sharper deadrise than anyone else AND that deadrise goes MUCH farther back along the keel. WEight is not needed and definitley not wanted. I am not just an over zealous Allison owner. Nobody will understand or appreciate the ride or construction of an Allison until your ride in one (make sure its with a competent driver) and crawl over and through one. I was a Stratos owner prior. Thought I had the best thing going until I looked/rode in a XB2003 Allison. I still love Stratos boats, but I look at them differently now (not in a bad way)

[wildwolfproducts]

Sounds like you rode in an XB2002! The fastest bassboat in the world. Even though they are a 900 lb hull they still slice the waves like a hot knife through butter (you gotta know how to drive them though!) The 21' XB21 is a "true" tournament bassboat compared to the little XB2002.
http://www.allisonboats.com/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/XB-21-BasSport-Pro-2005-action-big.jpg

While Is still doubt this has as good of a ride of an XB21 Allison, This: http://www.chargerboats.com/596.htm will fill your "not fast" but ride good requirement :p
http://www.chargerboats.com/images/596_BMT2006web3.jpg

As far as "Best Boat to fish out of".... A Ranger Owner will tell you a Ranger boat is, a Champion owner will tell you a Champion is, a Triton owner will tell you a Triton is etc. etc.
The one thing they all have in common is they are all wrong! :D:p:D:p


Good Luck

The guy that owned it, Ran it in races all the time. Was sponsored at there races and also he fished bass Tournaments out of it. The ride was ok in small stuff. But then again most are when theres just a chop to get the boat running better. But when we got into the boat waves it was as bad a ride as I have ever been in. More like a john boat rather then a V hull.

Glad to hear you do not need weight to make them ride better. But if thats the case I can't figure out why the same hull rides better in a heavy hull rather then one that weights way less.. Now I will say I'm ready to learn and always looking for a better way. Plus the lighter hull means same speed with less HP. So even if I had a 250 I can run it at 4000 RPM's and get what speed I want along with great MPG.

Pete

[Darth VMAX]

Interesting, I have an XB2002 Comp Pro (a light lay-up...825-850 lb hull). I can't count how many times I have taken people out in my little Allie and they come back just blown away, shaking their head wondering how such a small, light boat can ride better than their heavy overweight rigs. One was a friend who ownes a 23' Crownline! I quote: "that just ain't right!" :D Even my FIL, who is sponsered Walley guy. He gets a new LUND 2075 300 Verado every season was perplexed how my little boat rides so dang smooth.

Jonboat....hmmm. Never heard that description before. :confused: I would LOVE to take you out on the nastiest day imaginable. I think I would change your mind ;) Its tough to judge something with such limited experience, and I know its REALLY hard to wrap your mind around it.

[wildwolfproducts]

Interesting, I have an XB2002 Comp Pro (a light lay-up...825-850 lb hull). I can't count how many times I have taken people out in my little Allie and they come back just blown away, shaking their head wondering how such a small, light boat can ride better than their heavy overweight rigs. One was a friend who ownes a 23' Crownline! I quote: "that just ain't right!" :D Even my FIL, who is sponsered Walley guy. He gets a new LUND 2075 300 Verado every season was perplexed how my little boat rides so dang smooth.

Jonboat....hmmm. Never heard that description before. :confused: I would LOVE to take you out on the nastiest day imaginable. I think I would change your mind ;) Its tough to judge something with such limited experience, and I know its REALLY hard to wrap your mind around it.

Johnboat=flat Bottom metal boat. Don't know why that one rode so rough, but it did. Even compared to my boat at that time (Bass HAwk) it out rode that Allison. Now as you posted in a different post what ever people own they are going to tell a person it rides the best..
I will get a ride in one again to make sure about the ride. But found out years ago, the only way to compare boat rides is to take the same waters and ride in what your comparing that day. It will tell you for sure what ride is best. Like what I have below.

This is about the same as people telling me there Zero turn mower rides as good as my Ferris with 4 wheel suspension . They will try it and make the statement that there's rides that good. But after a few makes the same run in the same tracks. They find out there's rides like crap. Have this to happen all the time. But again when you run the same be it water or land. That is when you find out what is what.
http://www.ferrisindustries.com/images/7854interface6.gif

[FisherMan]

I can agree with that! My father in-law bought one.. beats the crappers out of my Brand New JD!

[Florodanus basser]

I have an Allison and it's the best rough water boat I have ever driven. Darth makes a super important point that the driver has to be experienced (there is a learning curve). I rode with Gary Clowher sp? who was just about to start Phoenix boats but still had a Stratos 201 Pro at the time. We went in a tournament out of Lake Kissimmee all the way to the north side of Lake Toho about 1 1/2 hours one way. I got my kidneys knocked into my socks. My back hurt so bad that I couldn't fish the next day in the tournament. I got an MRI of my back 2 weeks later and I had ruptured the disc between L4 and L5. So, I know the implications of a rough ride in a bass boat.

[wildwolfproducts]

I have an Allison and it's the best rough water boat I have ever driven. Darth makes a super important point that the driver has to be experienced (there is a learning curve). I rode with Gary Clowher sp? who was just about to start Phoenix boats but still had a Stratos 201 Pro at the time. We went in a tournament out of Lake Kissimmee all the way to the north side of Lake Toho about 1 1/2 hours one way. I got my kidneys knocked into my socks. My back hurt so bad that I couldn't fish the next day in the tournament. I got an MRI of my back 2 weeks later and I had ruptured the disc between L4 and L5. So, I know the implications of a rough ride in a bass boat.

Then you know how the ride is #1 for me. I have had 2 surgery's(Nothing else they can do for it Other then SS screws and plates gave me 30% chance of not being in a wheelchair) and still have weeks where I can't ever get out . Like the last 7 weeks my back is so bad all I have been able to do is sleep and take pain meds. And research boats while I can hold my eyes open. So with my back the ride is what I want.
Will try one again. As it may well have been just the boat we were in. As it was more for go fast then fishing.
Pete

[Darth VMAX]

One thing to consider about Allison boats is something most Allie owners don't talk about much.

True their hulls are the most effecient hulls in the biz which can yield some AWESOME fuel savings. But, that effecincy also means you can do more with less. Most (not all) people that have Allisons or are thinking about getting one are enamored by the blinding speed these rigs are capable of. SO in turn most Allisons (all models included) are rigged with big 225-300 hp motors. They do not HAVE to be, to perform exceptionally well.

Case in point. Back in 2003, Darris released the long awaited "replacement" of the old XTB-21. The new XB21 BasSport ELITE was introduced. It was introduced with the typical lower than typical "recommended" HP range in which Darris is famous for. 175HP...for a 21'2" boat!
With that, a dealer for E. Tennesse (Linda/Larry Owens) Set-up a new XB21 with a 2.6L Yamaha VMAX HPDI. without much set-up time at all, the boat was yeilding 74 (actually 73.5 per GPS) mph speeds!!! I don't know about you, but I don't know of ANY 21+ft boat that can run that fast with a little ol' 175. I am sure there was a little more with more set-up time.

Since then, Darris has increased the HP to 200, and now it has a 225 rating. My point is, you don't HAVE to have the biggest HP motor on these boats for them to run extrememley strong. This boat runs as strong with a 175 (if not stronger) Than most equivilant boats with a 225! :eek:

[Darth VMAX]

Then you know how the ride is #1 for me. I have had 2 surgery's(Nothing else they can do for it Other then SS screws and plates gave me 30% chance of not being in a wheelchair) and still have weeks where I can't ever get out . Like the last 7 weeks my back is so bad all I have been able to do is sleep and take pain meds. And research boats while I can hold my eyes open. So with my back the ride is what I want.
Will try one again. As it may well have been just the boat we were in. As it was more for go fast then fishing.
Pete

Pete,

After reading your back problems. There are some other things. I still stand by my feelings that the XB21 is arguably the smoothest riding V-Hull Basser made.
Bassboats can only do so much. There are a couple of unconventional options that will put you on the bass better than your Lund. Have you looked at the Lanier Custom Boats (they are a sponsor here)? It is a Catamaran Hull. There is a reason Cat Hulls DOMINATE in the offshore racing. They may look a little different, but they reportedly handel nasty water much better than any V-hull basser. They are "custom" so you can pretty much order it in any configuration you want.

Another option: Back to CHARGER Boats. Their SUV Series boats (a multi-species lie-up). I have heard that they ride like a 30' Deisel pusher RV. :D

http://www.chargerboats.com/images/190_webOHlg.gif

http://www.chargerboats.com/images/190_web.gif

You don't have to get these with the big walk-through glass windshields. You can get them with the bass-boat console smoked plexiglass windshield. There might be a back deck extension as well (pretty sure it was an option at one time.

[wildwolfproducts]

Darth was thinking the same lines lower HP motor less $$ plus still have plenty of speed. I Know resale would not be good with less then the killer speed and big motors most want. And again man it should sip fuel with a smaller motor. Be nice for Yamaha to come out with a 150 or 175 SHO LOL

CHARGER I still think about those, But after you posted that multi boat pic. I may be looking at that hull .But about to just stick with my lund and learn to fish around the issues of the sides sticking up and in the way at times. But then again right now its paid for and no more then I'm getting to use a boat just may be better to hold on to it for a while..
But if the right boat and trailer comes along where someone scrapped there big motor and the hull is in great shape, never know may look at something like that and add a different motor..
Yes with a screwed up back like mine ride is king. Shoot I was in the bottom of the boat almost crying back in march. Set the hook on a 6 lb largemouth and hit the floor. Buddy had to reel the fish in and he was laughing the while time.
Thats one good thing about all the floor room in the lund, You have plenty of room to fall in and lay there hunting
Pete

[Darth VMAX]

Just wait a little bit...I believe Mother Tuning Fork will be introducing something in the next year ;)

That being said, the 175 Vmax HPDI is a dang good motor and would be my choice for power if I were going 175hp. IMO the strongest 175 on the market today and is effecient! Its 1st gen DFI technology but its "right", it just works and keeps working.

Floor space. I love it as well. IF going with a straight Bassboat, An Allison XB21 2+2 with the rear 2 seats removed will open up the floor greatly (not an option with any other bassboat). Here is a PERFECT (we are talking never used) 2003 XB21 for sale minus power (enter 175 Vmax HPDI or whatever you want). 25K OBO boat/trailer

The 210 SUV is an awesome rig too....just will need BIG power becasue its a BIG boat :-)

[Darth VMAX]

Here is a better picture of the Charger's multi-species SUV. As you can see, it bears a lot of similarities to a Lund (or any Walleye stlye boat). Although the topcap does sit high in relation to the front casting deck (compared to a pure bassboat) , it does look less than my FIL's 2075 Lund. This boat if ordered with the bass-boat consoles would in my opinion bass fish better than a pure walleye boat. THe big windshields are nice in nasty cold weather but they SUCK and continually get in the way when flingin a lure with a 6.5-7ft+ rod. And I believe there is or was a rear deck extension to make the rear deck larger.
This boat is a PRIME candidate for the 300 Evinrude ETEC!
:first:

I hate the fact your having such bad back issues. I hope I never have to deal with that severity with my back. Outside of the LCB, I really believe these two boats are about as good as your going to get for a comfortable ride, fishability and excellent performance.

http://boats.marinecentral.ca/images/suv%201901.jpg

[wildwolfproducts]

Thanks the only issue with that boat is same as the Lund. Not easy to flip baits out of. Being the deck is down in the boat.
Buddy I have been dealing with this back issue for 15 years. So far I have made 3 doctors tell me they still can't believe I'm not in a wheel chair. I told them you have to give up for that to happen. Plus there's way to many fish to be caught for that. I know even in a wheel chair I would still be fishing. There used to be a guy that fished Pickwick. He would put the boat in by his self and all. No use of his lower limbs at all. But it did not stop him. Slow him down yes but did not stop him.
People like that is what keeps me going. Figured out 14 years ago there's always someone that will make you look normal.
Pete

[Darth VMAX]

Thanks the only issue with that boat is same as the Lund. Not easy to flip baits out of. Being the deck is down in the boat.
Buddy I have been dealing with this back issue for 15 years. So far I have made 3 doctors tell me they still can't believe I'm not in a wheel chair. I told them you have to give up for that to happen. Plus there's way to many fish to be caught for that. I know even in a wheel chair I would still be fishing. There used to be a guy that fished Pickwick. He would put the boat in by his self and all. No use of his lower limbs at all. But it did not stop him. Slow him down yes but did not stop him.
People like that is what keeps me going. Figured out 14 years ago there's always someone that will make you look normal.
Pete

True, with the SUV if you do a lot of flippin you would have to adapt your technique. The Charger's side don't look quit as tall as the Lund (by perhaps only a couple inches) and for sure is no where near as Pitch or Flippable friendly as a pure basser.

[ventureman]

Great looking '03 XB21 Darth!!!

[Darth VMAX]

Great looking '03 XB21 Darth!!!

It sure is...I wish I were in a position to get it. I could... but with my wife trying to get into med school, I better stick with my paid for XB2002. :(:D

[halestorm48]

the really nice thing about the charger suvs is that the whole front deck has padding under the carpet its really nice

[wildwolfproducts]

the really nice thing about the charger suvs is that the whole front deck has padding under the carpet its really nice

That sounds good, Man they should figure out a way to put a gel padding down for all day comfort.
Pete