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90profx
January 29th, 2009, 07:17 AM
So you wanna add a JACK PLATE to your boat…………………

Before you go out and buy yourself a Jack Plate, consult your dealer to see what the transom of your boat will tolerate and if your warranty allows adding a J/Plate. Most all glass boats will accept a 6" Jack Plate. It's the 8" to 15" plates you need to know about because of the tremendous load they place on you transom. Then talk to people that have the same or near the same boat/motor combination as yours to help you narrow down which plate you'll need. There is no magic formula that says boat brand "XXX" works best with an XX inch plate. I started out with a 6" plate just because I had to have one and didn't know any better at the time, worked out pretty good, but later found out through talking to others with a similar boat/motor I needed a 10" plate. What a difference that plate change from 6" to 10" made, that's why you need to do your homework first, it'll save you some money as well.

If you've just bought yourself a Jack Plate and wondering how the hell am I gonna get that baby on there.................Here's some tips for a safe DIY install.

1. Before you even think about pulling the motor, check to ensure that you have enough slack in your steering cable(s) or Hyd. Hoses. You don't want either of these to go into any sort of bind or tight radius bend. Your safety/life depends on this being checked (before and after the install).

2. Check your wiring harness & throttle & shift cables for enough slack as well, don't want a bind on either one of those. (there is unusually enough slack for a 6" plate on most boats)

3. Using a proper lifting eye for your motor and a standard automotive type engine puller, put a slight lifting load on the motor, key word is slight. Option for those who don't have the proper lifting eye for there motor; it is possible to lift the motor using straps in the front and rear of the block to balance the lift, but use extreme caution as this method is a disaster waiting to happen. Use the proper tools and methods, you'll be around to fish another day !!!!:)

4. Loosen the four 1/2" bolts holding the motor on the transom until the motor is loose from the transom.

Note: Some installers apply the sealant heavy around the 1/2" bolts holes, so you made have to wiggle the motor a bit to get it broken free from the transom, may even require you to use a putty knife (carefully) between the motor and transom to loosen the seal.

5. Once the motor is loose and free of any sealant holding it in place. Raise the motor enough to allow the removal of all bolts freely. Remove all 4 bolts.

6. Once ,motor is removed (leave it hang on the lift out of your way, careful when you move it not to damage cables/hoses) you must clean the transom of any and all residual sealant to ensure a good flat fit of your new Jack Plate. Use care and caution as not to scratch the Gel Coat surface. Try to remove as much sealant as possible from inside the holes as well.

7. Here's an important step nobody tells you about, but you'll see the problem after your completely finished with your install.:eek::eek:

Not all boats are created equal. Due to mass production methods, I have seen transom mounting holes off as much as 1/2" from being level. This obviously mounts your motor at an angle and not straight up and down on the transom.

(A) Use a 2 to 4 ft level and get your boat leveled up side to side. Use a floor jack under the trailer to accomplish this task. Place the level on the deck behind the seats or across the entire width of the boat aft of the seats if you have a big enough level.

8. Use a 2 foot level and place the level against the transom under the top two holes. Align the hole bottom edge with the level's top surface. You should have a level reading, do this again on the lower two holes to verify everything is good to go.

(If it's not level):
You have options to correct this,
(1) Elongate the holes that are out of level in the transom……….DON'T DO THIS NO MATTER WHAT !!!!!!!!!
(2) Elongate the holes in the Jack Plate on the motor side, this is a better option if needed because you can apply more torque to your bolts there than going through fiberglass/composite transom. Most of the time, there is enough built up clearance with all the holes to get everything lined up pretty damm close if not exact. So if it's off a little you know where to make a change, on the motor side of the plate.

9. Check your new Jack Plate by having the Jack Plate either fully up or bottomed out fully down. This is more important on a Hyd. Plate than Manual Plate, but never the less, it is important. Now place the J/Plate onto the transom with your mounting bolts, this will be a dry fit. Now the important level check, with the plate just snug up against the transom, place the level on the motor side of the plate and verify that the motor mounting holes in the plate are level. If not loosen the J/Plate from the transom and see if there is enough clearance in those holes. If your still coming up short of level, then you'll attach your J/Plate to the transom in the best possible or closest to level position possible and secure using new mounting bolts, 3M #4200 sealant per the manufactures instructions, torque to spec if so called out. It is important to note that the use of a torque plate be used top and bottom position on the mounting bolts to help distribute the pressure applied when bolts are tightened.

10. Now since your J/Plate is mounted onto your transom and tightened up to manufactures spec's, make any adjustment to the holes (elongate) on the motor side of the J/Plate at this time to ensure a mounting that will keep you motor level. I generally verify the motor is level by placing the level across the top of the flywheel, it's the best flat reference point available. Once you've made any changes needed to your J/Plate motor side mounting holes, deburr them and hang your motor using new mounting bolts, washers and nuts, secure per manufactures recommended torque spec's. I recommend using Loctite-Blue #242 on all 4 motor mounting bolts. It acts as a lubricant and thread locker at the same time.

11. Now verify that there is no bind in your hoses/cables by going through a full right and left turn on the wheel, do this easy. It helps to have a buddy turn the wheel for you and you looking at the hoses/cables. Same applies to the trim on your motor, make sure that you can get full trim (up & down) without putting the hoses/cables into a sever bind. Also watch that your hoses/cable clear the top edge of the transom. Since you've moved your motor back the hoses/cables are no longer going to fold up in the splash well as they did before adding a J/Plate, so check for clearance on everything. If your good to go, set your prop shaft approximately 3 1/2" inches below your pad.

12. Setting prop shaft height; level boat on the trailer (use trailer dolly to level). Use a 2 or 4 ft. level on the bottom of the hull at the transom and adjust till level. Now use a smaller level (torpedo style is easier) and place level on top of prop shaft, adjust trim till prop shaft shows level. Now both the hull and the prop shaft are level and parallel to each other. Place a straight edge or your 4 ft level against the bottom of the hull on it's centerline, have the level or straight edge extend back to meet the nose of your lower unit. The very tip of the nose is the center of the prop shaft. Adjust the J/Plate up or down until your center point on the nose of your lower unit is 3 1/2" below the top edge of the level or straight edge resting on the hulls bottom centerline. Secure your J/Plate, allow the sealent to cure per manufactures recommendations, then head for water to start a day of testing, looking for the ultimate position. Have your boat loaded as you normally have it when going out to fish. Then start to raise the J/Plate 1/2" at a time to find the sweet spot that works best for your set up, hole shot, top speed etc. Best results are obtained using a "GPS" over a boat speedometer and a Water Pressure Gauge. You need exact numbers you can rely on, this is where a GPS & Water Pressure Gauge comes in. You have to monitor water pressure. If you raise the motor to high, the potential of not being able to pick up enough water for cooling is possible.

In summary, please note that this adjustment takes time, lots of trial and error but the results are well worth it and you'll be far happier with your rig and the way it performs. This is a modification that can ruin your life if not done properly, please don't shortcut anything. There is a tremendous amount of force that is being applied to your transom by the motors power and rough water conditions as well. Adding a J/Plate "DOES CHANGE THE BOATS CENTERLINE OF BALANCE" because your moving a heavy object (motor) further aft. This will change ride, handling, attitude of boat sitting in the water etc.

Good luck and be safe..........:):):)

Jay Martin
January 29th, 2009, 09:30 AM
Good one Gary, Well said!!

Bullet20dc
January 29th, 2009, 02:48 PM
excellent info. One thing to add . Before adding a jackplate to a boat that is under a warranty agreement check with the mfg to see if it will void it. There are a few out there
that state specifically that adding a jackplate WILL void it. I know of 2 first hand but will refrain from using any names on the website.

90profx
January 29th, 2009, 04:30 PM
excellent info. One thing to add . Before adding a jackplate to a boat that is under a warranty agreement check with the mfg to see if it will void it. There are a few out there
that state specifically that adding a jackplate WILL void it. I know of 2 first hand but will refrain from using any names on the website.


Good point, I'll edit and add that advise...........thanks.:)

Jay Martin
January 29th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Gary, Did you tell your insurance company that you are a little over powered?
I didn't!!:rolleyes:

90profx
January 30th, 2009, 04:27 AM
Yep........... He's my brother in law..........:D:D No problems there, we keep that sort of info in the family :cool::cool:.

Jay Martin
January 30th, 2009, 06:44 AM
:cool::cool:

lilmule
February 12th, 2009, 11:50 AM
Nice article,Im underpowered and currently have a 10 in manual jackplate,am however going to a 6 in as its hydraulic,considering the size boat 22ft,I could actually use a lot more setback,however the wallet effects that.
Getting so 10-12 in ones even manual arnt cheap<and I was lucky to have gotten a good deal on the 6 in hyd.
Needless to say their will be one 10 in manual rite-hite jackplate for sale soon.
Two bad I cant just bolt the two together,making a 16 in one.

90profx
February 12th, 2009, 12:25 PM
If ya got yourself a 6" Hyd/Plate, get you sum 4" set back plates and you'll have a 10" Hyd/Plate real cheap................Your wallent might like that idea :):)

You can bolt the two together "BUT", I'd be real worried about the load placed on the transom.........:eek::eek:, that much set back makes your transom think that your motor now weighs almost twice that amount...same principle as a spud bar, think of the leverage stress that motor is gonna put on your transom...not good !!!!!!!!!!:(:(:(

lilmule
February 12th, 2009, 12:45 PM
Agree it produces much more weight and torque on the transom,wouldnt consider bolting them together,Bobs has 2 in ones,wasnt aware of 4 in ones.That would be equal to the 10 in I have on it now,almost,am using transom wedges currently they add about 1 in at level trim settings on motor.To think first boat that 10 in plate went on was a 15 ft skeeter,with an inline six 400 pd 90 hp motor,man they built that lil jewel.Ive always used a transom saver on the inside bolts as was afraid id take out the rear end,they were a good investment.

90profx
February 12th, 2009, 12:54 PM
Check out: http://www.panthermarineproducts.com/pmarine/pmarine_master.php?catID=6

for wedge & set back plates. They build some good stuff. Even check Ebay, every now and then a set shows up on there.

lilmule
February 12th, 2009, 01:13 PM
Theres a set of 2 in t and h on ebay,however like the solid design of that,in the link provided.2 in might be enough however since I have the wedges.
T and H makes a good foot throttle,as have one,but just like more solid stuff like your link or bobs machine shop has when putting 400 lbs plus on it.To me the more flat and solid it is ,the stronger it is and less chance of something actually moving when it shouldnt.
CMC actually says one can bolt six of their 1/2 together,like to see that combination go airborne and can imagine the results.They as well as jackplates can and do break<I got to buy the rite hite as a fella I knew had a brand new champion and went out on Erie in a redman T,he broke his fact installed jackplate and it was his replacement,he then went to a hyd one,thus I gained a used never installed jackplate.The rite hite is one solid piece of aircraft alum 1/2in and solid as the rock of you know what.
So any spacer I might add will be of same quality.I do appreciate the info and the link.

Jay Martin
February 12th, 2009, 01:19 PM
If you decide to join them together, make sure the hydraulic is against the motor not the transom, would be to much stress on the plate.

Bullet20dc
February 12th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I ran 15.5 back on my Bullet when I ran the 225 pmax, A 10in manual rapid jack and a land an sea 5.5 hydraulic tacked on. Worked great. When I went to a big black it was too much and went to a 6 fixed plate and the Land and sea. Just use good SS hardware and it will work.

lilmule
February 12th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Lemmie get this straight can actually add the 6 in hydraulic to the ten in manual,without damage,thought that would be a tad to much.Manual weighs in at 40 lbs,hyd weighs in at 70 lbs,making it 110 pds 16 in in depth.Isnt that a bit hefty for a 95 boat(it is sound)
And is such a large setback an advantage?Motor is a 94 MODEL 200 XP EVINRUDE

Bullet20dc
February 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM
where did ya get those weights. my 6 rapid jack is around 20 and my hydraulic is about 35 My bullet is a 96 had them on since 96 not one crack anywhere and I've been on Champlain and Lake Erie when Mother Nature was pizz'd

lilmule
February 12th, 2009, 04:04 PM
Weights are actual as rite hite is made of massive 1/2 alum
Manual from original paperwork on it,hyd from what ups charged FastJ,and can believe it not the young whippersnapper I once was,could barely pickup and move 50 ft to truck.
They arnt light.
Im thinking the 6 in and my wedges or maybe a two in spacer,like my transom where its at.

1FASTLASER
February 21st, 2009, 09:40 AM
I ran 15.5 back on my Bullet when I ran the 225 pmax, A 10in manual rapid jack and a land an sea 5.5 hydraulic tacked on. Worked great. When I went to a big black it was too much and went to a 6 fixed plate and the Land and sea. Just use good SS hardware and it will work.

Charlie I see that you use to use a Land an Sea plate. By any chance do you know the wiring configuration for the older I beleive they where the 550 model lectric plates. I got one and dint know if I needed relays on this plate or what to try it out. Lemme know when ya get the chance

Bullet20dc
February 21st, 2009, 10:58 AM
yup uses a relay setup similar to the trim set up in fact exactly like it.
I still use the land an sea. its faster and quieter than my det. right now the Detwiler has a busted angle plate.
the actual plate is a 2 wire setup just reverses the 12v to go the other way.

Darrel
July 20th, 2009, 08:29 PM
need jack plate help. have an 09 17 ft. ultracraft , by misty harbor , 90 hp. e-tec. dealer just installed a 4 in. jack plate for me & the tec. said he has everything adjusted to get the best out of the boat. WELL-- hole shot is great, top end sucks!! 32.6 checked with gps. running an alum. prop I think it is a 13 3/4 . am wondering if there is anything I can check to see if rig is set up properly? am hoping to get 38 + out of rig. keep it easy to understand as I don't quite understand a lot of the terms I have read on jack plate adjustments . I know this is not a real fast boat as it has a very deep hull configuration on it. I did try raising the jack plate , about 1 in. & then I lost rpms & motor would cavitate if trimmed. my rpms now wot 5500 . any more info anyone needs I will try to supply.

Darrel
July 20th, 2009, 08:31 PM
sorry I posted this in the wrong thread oops!!!

lilmule
July 20th, 2009, 08:38 PM
First of all for any speed ditch the alum prop,just by switching to ss can get that 2 mph you requested.
Dealers also tend to setup spareingly so one can also gain a tad just make sure you dont void the warenty
Get with the prop doc FASTJAY under props he can give you some ideas for props
Setting to high also is as bad or worse than setting to low,that etec has a stock gearcase and cant be run very high up,guessing about 3 under the pad is about it.
I must admit I like your choice in engines,did the 5 year warrenty enter into it.

Bullet20dc
July 21st, 2009, 04:44 PM
I see a few things wrong here and Im gonna be brutally honest
please take this as info only not a bash on your rig

90hp + jackplate + alum prop + speed increase = waste of about 500.00

it just don't compute sorry the motor just doesn't have tha balls to make
the jackplate anything more than an extra weight on the transom
you were scammed sir

Darrel
July 21st, 2009, 06:39 PM
lilmule , yes the 5 yr. warranty did have something to do with the purchase but I'm kind of parshal to ruds. I do like the e-tec. As for Bullet 20dc's coment you are pobably correct as far as the jack plate not going to do me a haul lot of good BUT the main reason it was put on was cause the boat spray was so bad ( too near the front 1/2 of boat ) I got a wet ars in rough water. The manufacture & the dealer are the ones who sugested the jack plate & installed it for n. c. I'm just like the rest of you guys , just trying to get the most out of my boat. love the rig , don't need 60+ out of it just trying to get the max it is capable of. lilmule how do I get in touch with fastjay?

lilmule
July 21st, 2009, 06:58 PM
This forum just a few down in the list called THE PROP DOCTOR
Sounds like the price was right on the jp,and it does add length and some handling as a result.Other benefit is can run a tad shallower or higher up,not a lot as its stock gearcase,but some.
In general I think one size larger in pitch for ss over alum,think I was was running about a 19 p back when I had one (wasnt an etec).
One thing to keep in mind props wont be everywhere for it as its a thirteen spline shaft.

Bullet20dc
July 22nd, 2009, 05:38 AM
I respectfully retract my "you were scammed" comment for free is a good thing :)